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Naomi Cairns was among the leaders in the privilege walk, and she wasn't happy about it. The exercise, which recently involved Cairns and her classmates in a course at the University of Massachusetts, had two simple rules:
When the moderator read a statement that applied to you, you stepped forward; if it didn't, you stepped back.
After the moderator asked if you were certain you could get a bank loan whenever you wanted, Cairns thought, 'Oh my God, here we go again,' and took yet another step forward. 'YOU LOOKED BEHIND YOU and became really uncomfortable,' said Cairns, a 24-year-old junior who stood at the front of the classroom with other white students. Asian and black students she admired were near the back. 'We all started together,' she said, 'and now were so separated.' The privilege walk was part of a course in whiteness studies.....
-- http://www.msnbc.com/news/928992.asp?0dm=N21HN |
I insist that everyone read this article. MSNBC has a section on their site titled "Race in America". I visit it often.
I think the most alarming thing to me is that I suspect the White people who are at the forefront of promoting what's called "Whiteness Studies" are basically passing out a pre-released version of how to practice Racism in the future, to exactly who needs it the most:
Younger White people!
And at the same time, further confuse non-white people as to how to solve this Race problem...
I think it's a great example of the soft-shoe act of ANTI-Racism. "Anti" meaning, it doesn't do anything.
To me the question that needs to be answered is:
What does this scientific exercise actually prove?
I think it proves what Black people have always known:
White people can do MORE THINGS than non-white people.
And that's what I suspect the white people who organized that experiment intend to leave the focus of their experiments findings.
It's a great example of how white people can mislead non white people by even making TRUE statements, such as the results of that experiment.
What isn't explained by the experiment or terms like: "whiteness" or "white-privileged", is the explanation of why non-white people aren't able to DO ALL THE THINGS white people can do as the experiment showed.
Non-white people aren't able to do all of the things the white people were able to do in the experiment, as well as in the other 9 areas of people activity (Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex, and War) because there are some unidentified white people who are practicing Racism against them.
AND THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ADDRESSED AT ALL.
And isn't it interesting that even within this experiment orchestrated by white people, illustrating non-white people being mistreated on the basis of COLOR, the white people who are responsible for preventing the non white people from doing the same things that the white people are doing are mysteriously unidentified.
This speaks to non-white peoples in-ability to identify exactly who a Racist is without the validation of another white person.
It also shows how awesome and dynamic Racism/white supremacy is.
A black person who gets mistreated on the basis of COLOR their entire life, still doesn't have the power to say which white person or persons practiced Racism against them and make that charge stick without the validation of a substantial number of other white people.
Why else would Johnnie Cochran need F. Lee Bailey?
This is why I suspect the whiteness studies approach is yet another way white people can confuse more and more Black people about how Racism actually works between people.
Like I've already said, the reason the non-white people aren't able to do as much as the white people is because of the other 'mystery' white people (Racists/white supremacist) who are practicing racism/white supremacy won't allow them.
This is the mistreatment based on COLOR Black people keep complaining about from as far back as I can remember. Getting mistreated is not some new revelation about being a black person.
This is the principle behind having a thing called 'Race': To keep all people from functioning equally in all areas of people activity. In this case, keeping the Black people from being able to DO all of the things White people can Do.
And again, this key point just happens to be excluded from all of these dialogs around 'whiteness' that I have seen.
This to me is the only logical explanation for having or wanting to be a member of a race:
TO PRACTICE RACE-ISM.
For a person who says they want to be a member of a race, is to say that they want to be a Racists/white supremacist.
In a very sophisticated fashion, the idea of whiteness or white privilege disconnects white people from the practice of white supremacy/racism. Almost as if to say that the mistreatment that black people are facing is either self-inflicted or just random acts that happen every now and then.
I often ask myslef, If Black people can DO everything that White people can DO, what's the point in being a white person?
You dig?
I remember when Motorola 2-way pagers first hit the street a few years back. I recall them being thought of as somewhat exclusive. That is, until it seemed like everybody had one. Once more and more people had 2-ways, it seems like they became worth less than when only a small amount of people had the ability to use them.
I suspect White people apply that exact same logic in maintaining that exclusivity of being able to say:
I'm a white person or I'm White.
And in order for white people to keep this possible, many of them choose to utilize the act of mistreatment on the basis of COLOR (Racism) in all nine areas of activity, to boost the value of NOT being COLORED or White in a system white supremacy.
In a system of Racism/White Supremacy, you can't have all people functioning as white, if you don't have people functioning as Niggers. And the evidence shows that most white people will choose to be-white rather than choose for all people to function equally. I suspect this is why Racism/white supremacy continues to the world's biggest problem.
If white people haven't already seen the value in being a white person living under a system of white supremacy/racism, why are white people feeling uncomfortable in a class about whiteness?
Would those same white people feel as uncomfortable with that experiment if there weren't any non white people in attendance?
This is what the white people who are in-charge of the curriculum of whiteness are not examining or even attempting to explain. This, in my opinion, is an act of Racism in and of itself.
Keep in mind that there isn't much evidence of a system of white privilege or system of whiteness at all.
Like I said, white people don't magically end up with special ability to simply-just DO more things than non white people can do. There's a razor-sharp scientific process that makes this possible:
A system of Racism/White Supremacy; A socio-political power dynamic illustrated by White OVER Non-white in all places at all times on this planet. Or in other words, there are some white people holding the non-white people back from doing all those things the white people are doing. Those white people are the Racists/white supremacist. Whoever they may be.
Finally, if a privilege is something that is given by another, non white people must start asking themselves:
WELL, WHO GIVES WHITE PEOPLE WHITE-PRIVILEGE?
(note** on the topic of Whiteness, this is the $1-Million dollar question.)
Now, if white people give other white people white-privileges, why not just call that white-supremacy?
It sounds like white supremacy to me.
Replace White Supremacy With JUSTICE.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 3:41 pm Post subject: Smallz... |
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Smallz,
You should do an Article Review of these topics...that's where this belongs. Then create a topic to discuss the Article Review under one of the carefully designed Forum Topics listed.
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Smallz, I saw the article too. The basic strategy is for White people to talk about "White privilege" but in no way talk about ending the "privilege". And like you said, * who gives White people White privilege*.
These terms like "White privilege" and "Whiteness studies" are terms designed to prevent people from using the term racism White supremacy
In the exercise they mentioned, what is needed is a person in the room to function as the White supremacist. Their job would be to knock Black people down physically (with a 2x4) when they try to take a step forward.
The way they set up the experiment it appears as if the Black people are "raping" themselves.
Not enough questions are being asked.
Black people ain't steppin forward cause their path is being blocked by a White person who practices White supremacy.
Lock all the doors and no one leaves until we find out who it is.
Thats what White people did at NASA when Columbia disintegrated. All the doors were locked and a head count was made..."no motherfucker you can't go to the bathroom now!" ( see White people don't fuck around when they really wanna find information). A 5 billion dollar space plane just got destroyed, 7 astronauts that we spent millions of dollars to train are dead.
We will find out how this happened or all ya'll can go fill out applications for wall fucking mart cause this ain't gonna happen again!
And don't be talkin that "spacness" bullshit or "accident privilege". If you open your mouth some facts, data or logic better fall out.
(please parden my digression)
What Im trying to say is that White people have a routine; a posture they adopt when discussing racism with Black people. Logic goes out the window and buckets of "hope" are trucked in.
And at the end of the class every nigger gets to take home a big 5 pound bag of "hope" and a "hope" credit card incase they run out.(((shakin my head))).
The key utility of these events is that White people come to them of their own free will. By doing so you are authorized; no wait...duty bound by VGQ to; no wait...(VGQ means you decide what to do)
What Im saying is you get to ask them any questions you want because nobody forced them to be there.
Questions such as:
Are you a White person?
Are you a nigger?
Have you ever been called a "nigger lover"?
Have you ever had sexual intercourse with a Black person?
How can you tell when another White person is a White supremacist.
Have you ever witnessed a Black person being mistreated on the basis of color by a White person?
If so, what did you do about it?
Do you know any White supremacist?, if so, how many and WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES?
And just keep choppin. Don't stop askin questions when "Jane" starts crying and when she starts handin out pussy; "just say no". Don't worry about her thinkin "you gay or can't get it up..."; follow the logic, she's offering it cause she thinks it will work.
work how?
Work by getting you to stop asking questions that reveal truth.
Be patient. If you are new to counter racism logic you will hafta peel away the deception like layers of an onion. but as you talk to more and more White people you will get to the point where you can chop that onion in half. Thats when you know you are using purified code. But thats also the point where most White people get up and leave.
Now, What is the value of having White people get up and leave when you ask them questions about racism White supremacy?
3 words,
NO MORE LIES.
As a victim of racism White supremacy you want to engineer an arrangement where White people are either:
1. Makin true statements to you.
OR
2. Not sayin nothin to you.
Until racism White supremacy is replaced with Justice, this is as good as it gets. I know the silence is very tacky but tacky is as good as it gets under White supremacy.
Your only alternatives are: "Trashy" and "Terroristic"
Take your pick. Under White supremacy your 3 choices are:
1. TACKY: Alot of silence, White people only speaking to you when necessary for some constructive purpose.
2. TRASHY: White people telling you a "dick joke" because the silence makes them nervous; laughing niggers relax them...
3. TERRORISTIC: White people spreading false information about you, sabotaging your efforts to matriculate or even taking a swing at you.
Like I said, Tacky is as good as it gets in a system of racism White supremacy.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject: Whiteness studies update. |
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Here is an interview with NPR's Tavis Smiley talking to professor Arlene Avakian and one of her students, Agnes Capron, about the professor's class in "whiteness."
Here is the link.
I found this to be extremly intresting.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Whiteness studies update. |
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| Winston Wolfe wrote: |
Here is an interview with NPR's Tavis Smiley talking to professor Arlene Avakian and one of her students, Agnes Capron, about the professor's class in "whiteness."
Here is the link.
I found this to be extremly intresting. |
I noticed Ms. Avakian uses the term White Supremacy but not White Supremacy/Racism and "whiteness". A real short interview. When referring to nonwhite people the term phrase "people of color" is used instead of nonwhite people. Ms Avakian says that "people of color" are confronted everyday with "whiteness" whatever that is. White people don't have to think about it. It's all around them.They have to work real hard to keep focused on "whiteness". Yeah, white people work very hard to expand, refine White Supremacy/Racism.
Real interesting. I suspect she is a White Supremacist/Racist and a mastress of deception.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Whiteness studies update. |
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| Winston Wolfe wrote: |
Here is an interview with NPR's Tavis Smiley talking to professor Arlene Avakian and one of her students, Agnes Capron, about the professor's class in "whiteness."
Here is the link.
I found this to be extremly intresting. |
I noticed Ms. Avakian uses the term White Supremacy but not White Supremacy/Racism and "whiteness". A real short interview. When referring to nonwhite people the term phrase "people of color" is used instead of nonwhite people. Ms Avakian says that "people of color" are confronted everyday with "whiteness" whatever that is. White people don't have to think about it. It's all around them.They have to work real hard to keep focused on "whiteness". Yeah, white people work very hard to expand, refine White Supremacy/Racism.
Real interesting. I suspect she is a White Supremacist/Racist and a mastress of deception. |
Yeah, white people like to keep racism and white supremacy "separate" because the logical mechanics for white supremacy is racism. When white people keep them separate they can use terms like "whiteness" to talk about privilege that white people have without ever talking about how (the logical mechanics) they get that privilege. It leaves non-white people with the understanding that this ain't no SYSTEM.
You gotta keep those two terms together at all times because the practice of racism results in white supremacy. White people will start talking about there's nothing they have to do to be white and nothing they have to say to be white..."its just part of our heritage". And they'll take the conversation there every time if you don't understand what you're looking at. (i.e. NOAH Albinism - People of Color With Albinism)
By disconnecting racism from white supremacy white people will be able to convince non-white people the privilege they get is something "people of color" give them because they are not doing anything to get it...it's just there...a part of our everyday lives...a part of the culture we live in...ingrained in our psyche...blah blah blah. Also by talking about the privilege white people have they don't talk about the mistreatment non-white people get under this SYSTEM. If the white people don't discuss the mistreatment people receive on the basis of being "colored" you can't make the connection that racism = white supremacy. You'll begin to believe that white supremacy is just there...just there...a part of our everyday lives...a part of the culture we live in...ingrained in our psyche...blah blah blah.
Also white people disconnect racism from white supremacy by supporting some non-sense theory of a "biological aspect" of race and the non-white people's brain-computer automatically calculates that there is nothing that can be done to counter "white skin". White people have been running this for years...hundreds of years. Now white people are using some of the words non-white people are using to connect racism with white supremacy but they don't connect for white people because the definitions of the words white people are using are not the same as counter-racism compensatory definitions. White people understand this and they draw the non-white people in by using these words and they want you to talk to them for hours and hours to see how to get you even more confused while at the same time convincing you that the white person you're talking to is not a white supremacist (racist). Same strategy they have always used.
If we (non-white people) don't connect racism with white supremacy we will think other non-white people can practice racism. Now Fuller and Welsing and some others that have been talking about racism (white supremacy) for years don't say racism when they say white supremacy or don't say white supremacy when they say racism everytime but they still mean one when they say the other. I've told Fuller he should keep the two terms together at all times and say them together at all times. This is what Fuller told me the first time I ever spoke to him on the phone in May of 2001. I didn't see the utility of it then but as I began to experiment I began to understand why it is necessary to keep the two terms together at all times...racism (white supremacy)...or...white supremacy (racism).
Even when non-white people think they are committing racism against another non-white person it results in white supremacy...those are the logical mechanics. White people who practice white supremacy (racism) even use non-white people against each other to make it look like the non-white person is subjecting, misusing, and/or abusing the other non-white person on the basis of color...but it still results in white supremacy...and they know that.
These are just a few reasons you have to keep the logical mechanics for accomplishing the goal with the goal. Racism = White Supremacy.
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Hmmm... very interesting. And also very short. Tavis could have done a whole hour with her.
Here is a similar discussion between Neely Fuller and what may be the same person. Im not sure, maybe someone can correct me. I have included a short excerpt between Fuller and Dr. Avayzian that you all may find interesting.
http://www.thecode.net/interviews/interviews.htm
Awake Study Group: A talk with Dr. Andrea Avayzian, Director, Communitas and Neely Fuller, Jr. Author of the United Independent Compensatory Code System Concept
Neely Fuller: I have a question.
Dr. Avayzian: Yes, please.
Neely Fuller: When you dialogue with other people and you say all the things to them that you are saying now, uh people are motivated by some type of profit motive of some type.
Now that profit may take all kinds of forms.
What do you tell a white person that they are going to get out of all this?
All of this interaction with black people. What do you tell them that they are going come out of it with?
Dr. Avayzian: I tell white people they have the possibility of regaining and reclaiming their soul. That until white ...
Neely Fuller: That's a hard sale.
Dr. Avayzian: It's a real hard sale. And that's why that it is certain people don't or are not interested in hearing the message. I think that, I talk to people about combating racism, it's the right thing to do. Straight out. It's the right thing to do.
It is what we are ethnically , morally, spiritually, psychologically, politically, and socially called to do. And that we have the possibility of reclaiming and regaining our souls, that until we are able to join hand in hand as equal partners with members of the human family, we are broken.
And we have the possibility in our lives of being of mending the brokeness in the human family.
Neely Fuller: And that is what you say ?
Dr. Avayzian: I say it and I say to people it's hard and you will be ostracized in your community and you will receive hate mail and you will get yelled at on your phone machine and you will get all the things that I have gotten, and that it's the right thing to do.
Neely Fuller: And I have a question, another question attendant to that.
Once you say that, what does the average white person that you talk to say,
Dr. Avayzian: Well...
The entire interview is very interesting.
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Yeah I read that a couple of years ago. Everyone should take time to read all of the interviews on TheCode.net website and do experiments on yourself to see what you realize, what you don't realize, and why. Then take the necessary action to change your behavior, using words and their definitions, so that you will realize (real-eyes) more...meaning be able to understand what you're looking at when you're looking at it.
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Now this is just me talkin,
At this particular point in "time" White Supremacy is the dominant culture on the planet. As a result, nothing on this planet is working the way the creator intended it!
NOTHING!
White Supremacy has made this planet and everything on it on gigantic ball of problems giving birth to other problems at an exponential rate.
I choose to say that counter-racist language, for lack of a better words is a "sacred language". In other words, in a system of IN-justice counter-racist language is THE BEST way for people to attempt communication in comparison to the way the White Supremacists have taught us to communicate.
The bottom line is, if Arlene Avakian is intrested in Replacing White Supremacy with Justice she's gonna hafta FLAT OUT SAY IT IN THOSE EXACT TERMS.
Aint no way around it.
"Whiteness" ,"White privledge" and any other term that does not connect White Supremacy with the mistreatment of people based on Color will fall short of the promotion of JUSTICE because those terms are incorrect.
This is why long drawn out conversations with white people get you NOWHERE!!!!
Replace White Supremacy With Justice or bust.
Simple as that.
In order to Replace White Supremacy with Justice you gotta Use counter-racist logic to take you to using counter-racist language.
The words/logic will do the work for you,
You just hafta have the "balls" to use them in no uncertain terms.
The fact that I'm saying "Replace white supremacy with Justice" is an indication that it can be accomplished.
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Winston,
I put the audio on the website...here. It is about 920K.
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In an effort to promote Justice and Correctness I decided to ask Ms. Avakian a very specific question. Here is that that exchange:
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To: avakian@wost.umass.edu
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:48 AM
Subject: "Whiteness"
Greeting Ms. Avakian,
My name is 'Winston Wolfe' and I am a site administrator for counter-racism.com
I've noticed that as a person classified as white you've seemed to take an interest in The Race Problem and possible solutions to it.
Nonetheless, I would like to know from you, are advocating the Replacement of the System of White Supremacy with the system of Justice?
Thank you.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene Avakian
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:10 AM
To: Katrina Small
Subject: Re: "Whiteness"
I am definitely advocating that. Where did you get my name and address? |
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-----Original Message-----
From: Winston Wolfe
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:32 PM
To: 'Arlene Avakian'
Subject: RE: "Whiteness"
Thank you for the Response Ms. Avakian.
I got your name and address from www.google.com. I goggle searched your name: Arlene Avakian
Here is the link I received as a result of that search: http://www.umass.edu/wost/faculty-staff/arlene.htm
I first heard of you and your research in an MSNBC article on whiteness in 2003. Later, I heard an interview with you and Tavis Smiley on NPR radio.
If there is anything constructive I can to help you Replace White Supremacy with Justice, please let me know.
Thank you again. |
Replace White Supremacy with Justice.
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