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Josh



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What is the difference between an "item" and an "activity"? Can an "item" be an "activity"? Can an "activity" be an "item"?

What is the difference between an "produced" and an "practiced"? Can something an "practiced" be "produced"? Is something "produced" also be "practiced"?



Good questions.

Regarding "items" and "activities", I was trying to give a definition of art that would cover a person doing something and the product of what they did.

For example; a "painting" can be a work of art (item)

and

"Painting" can be an art (activity)

The difference being, "activities" may only result in a description.

Where as an "item" will often present physical dimensions, weight, color...


(sweating...)

Both "a drawing"

and

"drawing"

are forms of art.

But I think a distinction between the two is useful.

Josh

(goes back stage and faints...)
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

NECKST wrote:
Josh wrote:
In the meantime,

ART: Any activity and/or item practiced/produced the best way.


Josh

(sneaks back off stage...)


I define "Art" as:

1. The result of an arrangement.

That's a pretty tight definition. In other words anything can be considered art. The way in which a person murders someone can be considered art. The "Art of War". Paintings can be considered "art". An automobile can be considered "art". The "Art of Justice". The "art" of science. The science of "art".

...and so on and so forth...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:32 pm    Post subject: Art. Reply with quote

NECKST wrote:
Josh wrote:
In the meantime,

ART: Any activity and/or item practiced/produced the best way.


Josh

(sneaks back off stage...)


I define "Art" as:

1. The result of an arrangement.


Now that's a constructive suggestion I can use!

Your definition is broad yet specific at the same time; Which is what counter-racist language should be all about.

Many people (myself included) confuse art and "creativity" (whatever that means...)

In high-school we even had classes called "creative art".

Now, based on your definiton I can see that term "creative art" in and of itself is a contridiction because people do not create anything, they only arrange what the creator already created.

As a result, Logically speaking, 'Art' is the result of an arrangement.

An arrangement of what? Someone could ask...

Art is an arrangement of anything.

Unfortunatly, Under the system of white supremacy/racism, the Racists determine the 'value' of art, which limits a person perception of what art really is or should be.

I could be incorrect because I'm still learning.

Winston.

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NECKST, I you don't put that in the Definitionary, I will be happy to.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Art. Reply with quote

Winston Wolfe wrote:
NECKST wrote:
Josh wrote:
In the meantime,

ART: Any activity and/or item practiced/produced the best way.


Josh

(sneaks back off stage...)


I define "Art" as:

1. The result of an arrangement.


Now that's a constructive suggestion I can use!

Your definition is broad yet specific at the same time; Which is what counter-racist language should be all about.

Many people (myself included) confuse art and "creativity" (whatever that means...)

In high-school we even had classes called "creative art".

Now, based on your definiton I can see that term "creative art" in and of itself is a contridiction because people do not create anything, they only arrange what the creator already created.

As a result, Logically speaking, 'Art' is the result of an arrangement.

An arrangement of what? Someone could ask...

Art is an arrangement of anything.

Unfortunatly, Under the system of white supremacy/racism, the Racists determine the 'value' of art, which limits a person perception of what art really is or should be.

I could be incorrect because I'm still learning.

Winston.

PS

NECKST, I you don't put that in the Definitionary, I will be happy to.


How does the definining of the word Art relate to the definition of Beautiful? Does the word Beautiful need further refining? If so, let me know. Also, I like the way NECKST defines art. Good job!

Trina
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Art. Reply with quote

Trina wrote:
Winston Wolfe wrote:
NECKST wrote:
Josh wrote:
In the meantime,

ART: Any activity and/or item practiced/produced the best way.


Josh

(sneaks back off stage...)


I define "Art" as:

1. The result of an arrangement.


Now that's a constructive suggestion I can use!

Your definition is broad yet specific at the same time; Which is what counter-racist language should be all about.

Many people (myself included) confuse art and "creativity" (whatever that means...)

In high-school we even had classes called "creative art".

Now, based on your definiton I can see that term "creative art" in and of itself is a contridiction because people do not create anything, they only arrange what the creator already created.

As a result, Logically speaking, 'Art' is the result of an arrangement.

An arrangement of what? Someone could ask...

Art is an arrangement of anything.

Unfortunatly, Under the system of white supremacy/racism, the Racists determine the 'value' of art, which limits a person perception of what art really is or should be.

I could be incorrect because I'm still learning.

Winston.

PS

NECKST, I you don't put that in the Definitionary, I will be happy to.


How does the definining of the word Art relate to the definition of Beautiful? Does the word Beautiful need further refining? If so, let me know. Also, I like the way NECKST defines art. Good job!

Trina


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How does the definining of the word Art relate to the definition of Beautiful?


I don't know for certian. However I suspect all things are related in some way.

Quote:
Does the word Beautiful need further refining?


Everything can be improved. Perhaps a definition of Beauty could be: A concept yet to be produced.

Keep in mind I could be incorrect because I"m still learning.

Winston.
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