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MARTYR:  Pronunciation Key
A person who has been killed as a result of promoting Justice.
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Why?
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Promoting or producing Justice, logcally speaking, would call for and end of the business (system) of white supremacy.
Now as far as I know, everyone who's made an attempt at replacing that system with one that is better has been killed as a result.
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| Now as far as I know, everyone who's made an attempt at replacing that system with one that is better has been killed as a result. |
or died trying.
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This definition does have value but as far as I can see any person that has been killed in the process of producing justice is a person that has been killed in the process of producing justice. Just a person. This is what all persons should be doing anyway.
The racists (white supremacists) have decided to classify people, for whatever reason, as this or that and make those definitions functional to suite their needs.
Since I cannot prove, beyond a shadow of doubt, that any person has died in the process of producing a thing called justice nor can I prove, beyond a shadow of doubt, what that person's definition of justice was, it serves no useful purpose for me to classify any person as a martyr. I suspect we are all people...people attempting to either produce a SYSTEM whereby we are all able to guarantee no person is mistreated and also guarantee the person that needs help the most get the most help or we are either practicing white supremacy (racism), allowing racism (white supremacy) to be practiced, or we are victims of white supremacy (racism).
I could be incorrect.
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Promoting or producing Justice, logcally speaking, would call for and end of the business (system) of white supremacy.
Now as far as I know, everyone who's made an attempt at replacing that system with one that is better has been killed as a result.
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How does one prove that any person that has dies was attempting to produce justice?
What was that person's definition of justice?
A white person's definition of justice may be practicing racism (white supremacy). |
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| How does one prove that any person that has dies was attempting to produce justice? |
You can't.
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| What was that person's definition of justice? |
I don't know.
Those are valid questions, however I think what's important is what the person called a Martyr does.
That's the key.
In fact, even a white person who chooses to make the decision to practice racism COULD also choose to make other decisions (JUSTICE)that will result in qualifying him/her to be a martyr.
Each individual person must decide for themselves, based on their own interpretation of what's happening.
To me, this is what a martyr is.
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Promoting or producing Justice, logcally speaking, would call for and end of the business (system) of white supremacy.
Now as far as I know, everyone who's made an attempt at replacing that system with one that is better has been killed as a result.
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How does one prove that any person that has died was attempting to produce justice?
What was that person's definition of justice?
A white person's definition of justice may be practicing racism (white supremacy).
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| smallz wrote: |
Promoting or producing Justice, logcally speaking, would call for and end of the business (system) of white supremacy.
Now as far as I know, everyone who's made an attempt at replacing that system with one that is better has been killed as a result.
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How does one prove that any person that has died was attempting to produce justice?
What was that person's definition of justice?
A white person's definition of justice may be practicing racism (white supremacy). |
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| How does one prove that any person that has died was attempting to produce justice? |
I don't know.
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| What was that person's definition of justice? |
I don't know.
Let me know exactly what is not clear for you and I will help in any way that I can.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| smallz wrote: |
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| smallz wrote: |
Promoting or producing Justice, logcally speaking, would call for and end of the business (system) of white supremacy.
Now as far as I know, everyone who's made an attempt at replacing that system with one that is better has been killed as a result.
smallz |
How does one prove that any person that has died was attempting to produce justice?
What was that person's definition of justice?
A white person's definition of justice may be practicing racism (white supremacy). |
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| How does one prove that any person that has died was attempting to produce justice? |
I don't know.
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| What was that person's definition of justice? |
I don't know.
Let me know exactly what is not clear for you and I will help in any way that I can.
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If you don't know the answer to those questions...what is the criteria for identifying who is or is not a martyr?
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| Virtual_GOD wrote: |
| smallz wrote: |
| Virtual_GOD wrote: |
| smallz wrote: |
Promoting or producing Justice, logcally speaking, would call for and end of the business (system) of white supremacy.
Now as far as I know, everyone who's made an attempt at replacing that system with one that is better has been killed as a result.
smallz |
How does one prove that any person that has died was attempting to produce justice?
What was that person's definition of justice?
A white person's definition of justice may be practicing racism (white supremacy). |
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| How does one prove that any person that has died was attempting to produce justice? |
I don't know.
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| What was that person's definition of justice? |
I don't know.
Let me know exactly what is not clear for you and I will help in any way that I can.
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If you don't know the answer to those questions...what is the criteria for identifying who is or is not a martyr? |
MY criteria for identifying who is or is not a martyr is as follows:
A person who has been killed as a result of promoting Justice.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| smallz wrote: |
| Virtual_GOD wrote: |
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| smallz wrote: |
Promoting or producing Justice, logcally speaking, would call for and end of the business (system) of white supremacy.
Now as far as I know, everyone who's made an attempt at replacing that system with one that is better has been killed as a result.
smallz |
How does one prove that any person that has died was attempting to produce justice?
What was that person's definition of justice?
A white person's definition of justice may be practicing racism (white supremacy). |
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| How does one prove that any person that has died was attempting to produce justice? |
I don't know.
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| What was that person's definition of justice? |
I don't know.
Let me know exactly what is not clear for you and I will help in any way that I can.
smallz |
If you don't know the answer to those questions...what is the criteria for identifying who is or is not a martyr? |
MY criteria for identifying who is or is not a martyr is as follows:
A person who has been killed as a result of promoting Justice.
smallz |
How is that the criteria when you have no idea if the person was attempting to promote justice or what the person's definition of justice was?
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Dan Freeman
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:04 am Post subject: Re: |
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| Virtual_GOD wrote: |
| smallz wrote: |
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| smallz wrote: |
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| smallz wrote: |
Promoting or producing Justice, logcally speaking, would call for and end of the business (system) of white supremacy.
Now as far as I know, everyone who's made an attempt at replacing that system with one that is better has been killed as a result.
smallz |
How does one prove that any person that has died was attempting to produce justice?
What was that person's definition of justice?
A white person's definition of justice may be practicing racism (white supremacy). |
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| How does one prove that any person that has died was attempting to produce justice? |
I don't know.
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| What was that person's definition of justice? |
I don't know.
Let me know exactly what is not clear for you and I will help in any way that I can.
smallz |
If you don't know the answer to those questions...what is the criteria for identifying who is or is not a martyr? |
MY criteria for identifying who is or is not a martyr is as follows:
A person who has been killed as a result of promoting Justice.
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How is that the criteria when you have no idea if the person was attempting to promote justice or what the person's definition of justice was? |
That's easy,
Because I have chosen to make it so.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:50 am Post subject: Re: |
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How is that counter-racist logic?
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| How is that counter-racist logic? |
I don't recall saying that it was.
However, I am saying saying that a Martyr is person who has been killed as a result of promoting Justice.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:53 am Post subject: Re: |
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| smallz wrote: |
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| How is that counter-racist logic? |
I don't recall saying that it was.
However, I am saying saying that a Martyr is person who has been killed as a result of promoting Justice.
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Thank you.
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