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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Prayer Reply with quote

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Edward Williams wrote:
NECKST wrote:
REVISED II

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Prayer: Pronunciation Key

Anything that a person is saying and/or doing.

How can voting and prayer have the same definition?


Because everything "boils down" to saying and/or doing ,or not saying and/or not doing.

But I may be incorrect in my analysis of this situation.

Sure everything comes down to saying and doing but what is prayer in relation to saying and doing?
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Prayer: Pronunciation Key
Thinking, speaking and acting in such a fashion that Justice and Correctness is produced.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 7:44 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

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Prayer: Pronunciation Key
Thinking, speaking and acting in such a fashion that Justice and Correctness is produced.

How, specifically? Can you give me the logical mechanics?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:
NECKST wrote:
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Prayer: Pronunciation Key
Thinking, speaking and acting in such a fashion that Justice and Correctness is produced.

How, specifically? Can you give me the logical mechanics?



My apologies sir, I am unable to provide those at this time.

But in the event that I do develop the logically mechanics of thinking, speaking and acting in such a fashion that justice is produced, I suspect that we may very well be in a system of justice.

But I could be incorrect.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prayer: Pronunciation Key

Communication with the Creator.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: Prayer Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:
Prayer: Pronunciation Key

Communication with the Creator.

If a person engaged in prayer says and/or does the same things as a person who isn't engaged in prayer, what truth does this definition reveal?

Edward Williams wrote:
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When I use the word "prayer" I mean "communication with the creator". People do not create (produce something out of nothing) anything. When I say "the creator I mean whomever or whatever created all the we know and all that we don't know. By communication I mean "saying and doing".


Can one communicate with the Creator with-out saying or doing anything?

Yes sir. A person can communicate with the creator by using thought...saying and doing is the effect...it is the proof of thought. My father once told me "faith without works id dead". Dead faith? I was puzzled...perhaps he got that out of a book called the bible. I think I remember reading it there a long time ago. How can someone have dead faith?...I asked myself. I suspect he meant that a belief about something without the speech and/or action to back it up doesn't mean anything.

Racists (White Supremacists)...if they believed in being in a supreme position over the people they subjugate, misuse, abuse ,etc. on the basis of color but did not use words nor actions to back up what they believe...that would be a dead belief I suspect they know this.

Thought without speech and/or action to back it up is dead thought. This is why I focus on what is said and what is done. What is said and/or done is the result of what is thought.

Thought can cause a change in ones outlook, however you can be more effective if you act on these changes. I hear what your father is saying, but I believe I might be able to come up with a situation where your beliefs tell you to do nothing and accomplish your aim. Then again some might consider doing nothing...still doing.

And sometimes thoughts are used to assess the functionality of other thoughts, leaving you with those best for constructively conversation.

Oh, and the definition of prayer I have come up with is:

Thoughful appeal to ALL POWER (the creator) for help in revealing TRUTH, and producing JUSTICE and CORRECTNESS.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:
Prayer: Pronunciation Key

Communication with the Creator.


(1) Is it possible to engage in prayer if the Creator doesn't exist?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Prayer: Pronunciation Key

Communication with the Creator.


(1) Is it possible to engage in prayer if the Creator doesn't exist?

Not according to the definition. Thanks for asking the question.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:20 am    Post subject: RE Reply with quote

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Peace and blessings Mr. Williams,

Edward Williams wrote:
Prayer: Pronunciation Key

Communication with the Creator.


The Creator of what?

Ladyjedi-Djedet,

The creator of anything.

People do not create anything, we arrange what is already here. For a person to create something means the person will have to create themselves and they are already here...already here arranging things. No person produces somehing out of nothing. People, generally speaking, don't even have a concept of "nothing". We say we do especially when we are asked certain things...What's happening?...nothing, What you doin'?...nothing. Even when we think of something that we say is nothing it is something.

That which creates one thing creates all thing because all thing are connected.



Mr. Williams,

Could you please simplify your answer to my question into a counter-racist definition and possible link to it from this definition?

It is difficult to understand a word ("Prayer"),

if its definition depends on a word ("Creator"),

and that word has no clear definition.

My use of word, "Creator" Has temporarily been haulted, due to the fact that someone asked
a very logicial question in refrence to the word that my brain (computer) is still trying to process.

Your clarification of these words will help in this investigation.

Thankyou in advance

What was the question they asked you?

Let me see if I can clarify my answer to your question.

We call it creation when we put something together (arrange things together that were already created...including people) that we have never arranged in that manner before and/or we don't know of anyone else that has arranged things in that manner before...we say we created it. That is a poor choice of words.

The racists (white supremacists) have a "god"...their "god" is themselves. And they do not tolerate any other "god" that does not look like them. They say they created this or that and they mean it. They mean the "god" of you...the one you answer to. Not the person "one"...the collective "one"...the racist code. The code that is practiced by the white people who choose to practice racism (white supremacy). That is what non-white people answer to...what these people who say they are white say and/or do...their code...their behavioral code.

Counter-Racist Logic says that the Creator has other attributes as well. The codebook refers to one of them as "All POWER" (what some people call omnipotent) but there are others such as "All Knowing"..."Omnipresent" (Present everywhere simultaneously.)...etc. I choose to use the Creator attribute because I have to do less work with words using it than if I use All POWER. The codebook defines All POWER on page 28 as:

"The force that is most often referred to as "God", and/or "the Creator", etc., and is the greatest force in the known universe.

This force (the sum total of all that is known and unknown) is generally thought to be a power that is greater than all other "powers" in the known universe.

Whereas there has been great disagreement about the form of this force, there is little disagreement as regards the existence of this power, and/or the existence of a "closely interrelated" combination of forces that "cause" this power.


The codebook also explains that the racists (white supremacists) do not have All POWER...they exercise Superior POWER in reference to people...which is second only to All POWER among the people of the known universe. The people the racists (white supremacists) subject tot their Superior POWER are non-white people.

I say prayer is communication with the All POWER (Creator). This means everything I think, say, and do is communication with the Creator. This puts the onus on me to make sure my thoughts, speech, and/or action is going down the path of guaranteeing no person is mistreated and also guaranteeing the person that needs help the most get the most help. I don't wait for it to be done for me by anyone and/or anything.

This means if I want a new car I pray about it by using speech and/or action to get it. I may clean up my credit, go looking on car lots or the Internet for the kind of car I want, save money for a down payment if necessary, etc. I don't just keep riding the bus thinking and saying I want a new car and never save any money, never clean up my credit, never go looking at what's available in my price range, etc.

Please let me know if I should say more.


Mr Williams

I was unsuccessful at moving the previous post.

During a very interesting physics conversation Mr Jones asked me:

If matter can neither be created nor destroyed, how can there be a creator?

Now while there is now some small debate going on about this in the scientific community,

it did get me to questioning as to weather my mind was even capable of grasping the idea
of The Creator, God, Allah etc..

How can you define something so abstract?

So that was my definition of it for months "The Undefinable"

Until remembering The UICCSC had a definition of God, that I once highlighted.

Combining this with part of your definition, appears to be very efficient.

Prayer:

Communication with the sum total of all that is known and unknown.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: RE Reply with quote

Ladyjedi-Djedet wrote:
Mr Williams

I was unsuccessful at moving the previous post.

During a very interesting physics conversation Mr Jones asked me:

If matter can neither be created nor destroyed, how can there be a creator?

Now while there is now some small debate going on about this in the scientific community,

it did get me to questioning as to weather my mind was even capable of grasping the idea
of The Creator, God, Allah etc..

How can you define something so abstract?

So that was my definition of it for months \\\"The Undefinable\\\"

Until remembering The UICCSC had a definition of God, that I once highlighted.

Combining this with part of your definition, appears to be very efficient.

Prayer:

Communication with the sum total of all that is known and unknown.

In an attempt to not keep copying the same text I have only included the previous text.

This could get into a very sticky \"science of religioun\" conversation. By \"sticky\" I mean it could never get to justice. The question asked:

Quote:
If matter can neither be created nor destroyed, how can there be a creator?


Is an interesting question that produces or should produce a lot of other questions such as:

What is \"matter\"?
Does \"create\" mean \"to produce in terms of function\"?
Does \"destroy\" mean \"to eliminate in terms of function\"?
Etc., Etc., Etc.

I agree that even the concept of \"The Creator\" has its flaws because I am flawed under the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy). When I refer to \"The Creator\" I mean the force that produced all that is known and unknown. One could ask who produced \"The Creator\"?...because \"The Creator\" is known and unknown. Some people say the sum total of all that is known and unknown is \"The Creator\". Some scientists have attempted to plot all that is known and unknown in the form of a pisture and have published what that picture looks like and it is in the form of a person. One could ask how is this in the form of all that is unknown? If it is unknown how can it be in a picture?

One could ask what are the logical mechanics for communicating with something or someone that is unknown? If something is unknown how does one know how to communicate with it?

These are the kinds of questions that will run people around in circles and the racists (white supremacists) are counting on us doing just that...running around in circles...going from problem perception, away from problem resolution, down a diversionary path, and back to problem perception. In other words the conversations wind up not being compensatory...meaning \"making up for what's missing\". What's missing is justice.

I had a conversation with Fuller about 3 years ago and I told him that counter-racist code is circular. If you keep following the logic you wind up supporting the racists (white supremacists). He said, and I quote \"I know, and they are counting on you doing just that\". I asked Fuller, at what point should one stop in their analysis. He responded by saying \"when it starts making sense and run a test on that\".

Compensatory Counter-Racist Code is supposed to end where no person is mistreated and the person who needs help the most get the most help and is supposed to get there in the fastest most efficient manner.

I agree that the definition you have posted is valid but how does that definition remind people that there is a force in the universe that is more POWERFUL than them and/or more POWERFUL than the racists (white supremacists)?
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