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Josh



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 12:36 pm    Post subject: "Latino" Reply with quote

It is best to ask a person who says they are a "Latino" exactly what a "Latino" is.

I suspect this is not what is going on here.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is your definition of a "Latino"?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well,

I once spoke to an elderly woman who said that she was a Latino(a).
she said that Latino is a term used to describe any person who
SPOKE any language derived from LATIN.

The languages include:

1. French
2. Italian
3. Portuguese
4. Rumanian
5. Spanish
6. English (55%) of words transferred by French Conquest

(source: http://www.txclassics.org/excetlang.htm)

But, this definition led me to the following questions:

Is it correct to describe Jacques Chirac, Prime Minister of France, as a Latino?

Can I go to little Italy and call the Italians Latinos?

If english is 55% latin or 15% latin, is it correct to call Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Walt Disney latinos?

This term, I suspect, is used to further deceive and confuse the non-white subjects of the white supremacists that refine, expand, and maintain the most powerful political system on the planet, White Supremacy.

The term Latino ,which SEEMINGLY categorizes people by language, should
stop being used by non-white people who are effectivly dominated by a political system that categorizes people on the basis of color.

Example:
Language is a tool, similar to a car. Now let's look at these two sentences.


1)Black person in car
2)Brown person in car
3)Red person in car
4)White person in car
5)Yelow person in car

Why does a person driving a car need a color classification? Can they simply be called a driver? They need that color classification because
it determines what can and cannot be done to them while in that car.

comments? questions?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

GMAN_XTREME wrote:
Well,

I once spoke to an elderly woman who said that she was a Latino(a).
she said that Latino is a term used to describe any person who
SPOKE any language derived from LATIN.

The languages include:

1. French
2. Italian
3. Portuguese
4. Rumanian
5. Spanish
6. English (55%) of words transferred by French Conquest

(source: http://www.txclassics.org/excetlang.htm)

But, this definition led me to the following questions:

Is it correct to describe Jacques Chirac, Prime Minister of France, as a Latino?

Can I go to little Italy and call the Italians Latinos?

If english is 55% latin or 15% latin, is it correct to call Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Walt Disney latinos?

This term, I suspect, is used to further deceive and confuse the non-white subjects of the white supremacists that refine, expand, and maintain the most powerful political system on the planet, White Supremacy.

The term Latino ,which SEEMINGLY categorizes people by language, should
stop being used by non-white people who are effectivly dominated by a political system that categorizes people on the basis of color.

Example:
Language is a tool, similar to a car. Now let's look at these two sentences.


1)Black person in car
2)Brown person in car
3)Red person in car
4)White person in car
5)Yelow person in car

Why does a person driving a car need a color classification? Can they simply be called a driver? They need that color classification because
it determines what can and cannot be done to them while in that car.

comments? questions?

What is your counter-racist compensatory definition of a "Latino"?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My WORKING definition for Latino/Latina is:

Any person who primarily speaks a language derived from LATIN.

I received this from a person classifying herself as a latino(a)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 6:31 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

GMAN_XTREME wrote:
My WORKING definition for Latino/Latina is:

Any person who primarily speaks a language derived from LATIN.

I received this from a person classifying herself as a latino(a)

That definition would make me a latino. HOW does that help me to counter racism (white supremacy)?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:40 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Virtual_GOD wrote:
GMAN_XTREME wrote:
My WORKING definition for Latino/Latina is:

Any person who primarily speaks a language derived from LATIN.

I received this from a person classifying herself as a latino(a)

That definition would make me a latino. HOW does that help me to counter racism (white supremacy)?


Looking at it, Latino means Non-white person. Cause Jeac Chirac, the prime minister of France, speaks a language derived from latin, but he aint Latino, he's White. So, Latino could be one the terms used to produce confusion among victims of racism/white supremacy.

To be sure, VGOD, I'm going to study this word and post my findings. I cannot get into it right now because the term is hard to define. Maybe it should be discarded? But, I want to see what it means to people that use and then see if what THEY say makes sense.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like your technique GMAN; especially the part about asking a person who says they are a Latino, what a Latino is.

You might want to follow up that question to a Latino with "the critical question"

Which is are you a White person?

Sometimes I ask it last, sometimes I ask it first.

I think asking it last is the more experimental format because it allows you to observe racist suspects in the biulding of the scaffold they will use to hang themselves.

Once a racist suspect takes a title of strategic ambiguity such as "Jewish" "liberal" "Latino"... they will often go to elaborate lengths to "garnish" it and dress it up...

The behavior is interesting and sometimes entertaining in its creativity.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latino people allways have said they are non-white from what I've heard, and they even take offense to being called hispanic. For some reason hispanic is like being called slave or conquered person. I believe they know better than I, so next time I get a chance I''ll try to get a Latino/a to explain for me.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:14 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

copious wrote:
Latino people allways have said they are non-white from what I've heard, and they even take offense to being called hispanic. For some reason hispanic is like being called slave or conquered person. I believe they know better than I, so next time I get a chance I''ll try to get a Latino/a to explain for me.

cope


Excellent :-) Gather that data.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

GMAN_XTREME wrote:
Virtual_GOD wrote:
GMAN_XTREME wrote:
My WORKING definition for Latino/Latina is:

Any person who primarily speaks a language derived from LATIN.

I received this from a person classifying herself as a latino(a)

That definition would make me a latino. HOW does that help me to counter racism (white supremacy)?


Looking at it, Latino means Non-white person. Cause Jeac Chirac, the prime minister of France, speaks a language derived from latin, but he aint Latino, he's White. So, Latino could be one the terms used to produce confusion among victims of racism/white supremacy.

To be sure, VGOD, I'm going to study this word and post my findings. I cannot get into it right now because the term is hard to define. Maybe it should be discarded? But, I want to see what it means to people that use and then see if what THEY say makes sense.

While you're at it...see what the word nigger means to the people that use the term. I suspect it is gonna mean something different to just about all of the pople that use it.

Anytime you get away from the three functional categories of people, under the SYSTEM of white supremacy (racism)...White people...Non-White people...White Supremacists (Racists)...you're gonna be confused. This is why it is so important to stick with the basics and let the words do the work for you. Don't you do the work for the words...that would mean the words are mastering you. We gotta get to the point where we master words.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said V_G.

I'll revise my question and ask "Are you white?" and if so ask "Do you refer to yourself as non-white?" and finally "Why or why not".

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

GMAN_XTREME wrote:
My WORKING definition for Latino/Latina is:

Any person who primarily speaks a language derived from LATIN.

I received this from a person classifying herself as a latino(a)


Hello,
I've been reading this thread with interest, since I consider myself "Latin-American". An abbreviated form, that people in the U.S. and NorthAmerica prefer to use, is "Latino/a". (Most people in South American, use the longer term of "LatinoAmeicano". It's a regional thing.

We call ourselves "Latino-Americanos" or "Latinos" because we speak Spanish, (one of the languages derived from Latin) and reside in the Americas.

We do not refer to as "Latino" any person who speaks a language derived from Latin. (That would have to include, Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese, Greek) They refer to themselves as European.

Fee free to ask me any question. I just became a member, and I am learning so many things I did not know!

Glad to be able to contribute a post!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Issa:


Are you a white person?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

copious wrote:
Issa:


Are you a white person?


I am not the color "white".
I do not classify or see myself as white. I see myself as a "Latina".
I do not check the box "white" in filling out forms.
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