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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:29 pm    Post subject: Free Reply with quote

Free:
A concept.

Explanation/Reason:
Everything is a concept until it becomes a reality. Every action is the effect of a cause and/or every action is the cause of an eventual effect. This word us usually used to give a person the perception that something is taking place that will not affect something else in an adverse manner.

For example, something can be said to be "free of charge" when in actuality it is costing someone something...probably the person who thinks it is "free of charge". Or, people are said to be "free" from something or someone but people are never "free" from anything nor anyone. All people are connected and/or all things are connected to all people.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Free Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:
Free:
A concept that doesn't exist.

Explanation/Reason:
Every action is the effect of a cause and/or every action is the cause of an eventual effect. This word us usually used to give a person the perception that something is taking place that will not affect something else in an adverse manner.

For example, something can be said to be "free of charge" when in actuality it is costing someone something...probably the person who thinks it is "free of charge". Or, people are said to be "free" from something or someone but people are never "free" from anything nor anyone. All people are connected and/or all things are connected to all people.


I think it would be better to say:

Free:
Something that doesn't exist.


Since a concept doesn't exist until it is put into practice.

I could be incorrect.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Free Reply with quote

James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Free:
A concept that doesn't exist.

Explanation/Reason:
Every action is the effect of a cause and/or every action is the cause of an eventual effect. This word us usually used to give a person the perception that something is taking place that will not affect something else in an adverse manner.

For example, something can be said to be "free of charge" when in actuality it is costing someone something...probably the person who thinks it is "free of charge". Or, people are said to be "free" from something or someone but people are never "free" from anything nor anyone. All people are connected and/or all things are connected to all people.


I think it would be better to say:

Free:
Something that doesn't exist.


Since a concept doesn't exist until it is put into practice.

I could be incorrect.

How can something not exist?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Free Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Free:
A concept that doesn't exist.

Explanation/Reason:
Every action is the effect of a cause and/or every action is the cause of an eventual effect. This word us usually used to give a person the perception that something is taking place that will not affect something else in an adverse manner.

For example, something can be said to be "free of charge" when in actuality it is costing someone something...probably the person who thinks it is "free of charge". Or, people are said to be "free" from something or someone but people are never "free" from anything nor anyone. All people are connected and/or all things are connected to all people.


I think it would be better to say:

Free:
Something that doesn't exist.


Since a concept doesn't exist until it is put into practice.

I could be incorrect.

How can something not exist?


It's based upon the criteria/definition you give it.

Like the word "Justice."

The guarantee that no person is mistreated and the guarantee the person that the person in need of the most help gets the most
help.

Justice (by definition) is something that doesn't exist, based upon the criteria I gave it, with respects to what does exist (mistreatment).

But I could be incorrect.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Free Reply with quote

James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Free:
A concept that doesn't exist.

Explanation/Reason:
Every action is the effect of a cause and/or every action is the cause of an eventual effect. This word us usually used to give a person the perception that something is taking place that will not affect something else in an adverse manner.

For example, something can be said to be "free of charge" when in actuality it is costing someone something...probably the person who thinks it is "free of charge". Or, people are said to be "free" from something or someone but people are never "free" from anything nor anyone. All people are connected and/or all things are connected to all people.


I think it would be better to say:

Free:
Something that doesn't exist.


Since a concept doesn't exist until it is put into practice.

I could be incorrect.

How can something not exist?


It's based upon the criteria you give it.

Like the word "Justice."

I could be incorrect but if it is "something" it must exist. In order for it not to exist it must be "nothing". I'll re-word it a little for clarity.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In other words, freedom exits as a concept, similar to the way in which Justice exits only as a concept.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Winston Wolfe wrote:
In other words, freedom exits as a concept, similar to the way in which Justice exits only as a concept.

Winston


I would agree with that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Free Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Free:
A concept that doesn't exist.

Explanation/Reason:
Every action is the effect of a cause and/or every action is the cause of an eventual effect. This word us usually used to give a person the perception that something is taking place that will not affect something else in an adverse manner.

For example, something can be said to be "free of charge" when in actuality it is costing someone something...probably the person who thinks it is "free of charge". Or, people are said to be "free" from something or someone but people are never "free" from anything nor anyone. All people are connected and/or all things are connected to all people.


I think it would be better to say:

Free:
Something that doesn't exist.


Since a concept doesn't exist until it is put into practice.

I could be incorrect.

How can something not exist?


It's based upon the criteria you give it.

Like the word "Justice."

I could be incorrect but if it is "something" it must exist.


I think that would depend on how one defines the word "something" and how one defines the word "exist."

Edward Williams wrote:
In order for it not to exist it must be "nothing".


I think that would depend on how one defines the word "nothing" and how one defines the word "exist."

I suspect that everything (including nothing) is something to somebody or something.

But I could be incorrect.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Free Reply with quote

James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Free:
A concept that doesn't exist.

Explanation/Reason:
Every action is the effect of a cause and/or every action is the cause of an eventual effect. This word us usually used to give a person the perception that something is taking place that will not affect something else in an adverse manner.

For example, something can be said to be "free of charge" when in actuality it is costing someone something...probably the person who thinks it is "free of charge". Or, people are said to be "free" from something or someone but people are never "free" from anything nor anyone. All people are connected and/or all things are connected to all people.


I think it would be better to say:

Free:
Something that doesn't exist.


Since a concept doesn't exist until it is put into practice.

I could be incorrect.

How can something not exist?


It's based upon the criteria you give it.

Like the word "Justice."

I could be incorrect but if it is "something" it must exist.


I think that would depend on how one defines the word "something" and how one defines the word "exist."

Edward Williams wrote:
In order for it not to exist it must be "nothing".


I think that would depend on how one defines the word "nothing" and how one defines the word "exist."

I suspect that everything (including nothing) is something to somebody or something.

But I could be incorrect.

Using that logic...I suspect there are no words, even in this response, that are understood so why respond to it? Why respond to any post unless you ask what each word being used by someone else means when they use it?

There is a quote in the back of the codebook that says...

Nothing has 'meaning' unless it has 'meaning' - if you get what I mean.
Neely Fuller Jr. 1967
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:31 am    Post subject: Re: Free Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Free:
A concept that doesn't exist.

Explanation/Reason:
Every action is the effect of a cause and/or every action is the cause of an eventual effect. This word us usually used to give a person the perception that something is taking place that will not affect something else in an adverse manner.

For example, something can be said to be "free of charge" when in actuality it is costing someone something...probably the person who thinks it is "free of charge". Or, people are said to be "free" from something or someone but people are never "free" from anything nor anyone. All people are connected and/or all things are connected to all people.


I think it would be better to say:

Free:
Something that doesn't exist.


Since a concept doesn't exist until it is put into practice.

I could be incorrect.

How can something not exist?


It's based upon the criteria you give it.

Like the word "Justice."

I could be incorrect but if it is "something" it must exist.


I think that would depend on how one defines the word "something" and how one defines the word "exist."

Edward Williams wrote:
In order for it not to exist it must be "nothing".


I think that would depend on how one defines the word "nothing" and how one defines the word "exist."

I suspect that everything (including nothing) is something to somebody or something.

But I could be incorrect.

Using that logic...I suspect there are no words, even in this response, that are understood so why respond to it?


Edward Williams wrote:
Why respond to any post unless you ask what each word being used by someone else means when they use it?


I wouldn't suggest doing that...

But when a person (for example) states something like this:

Quote:
I could be incorrect but if it is "something" it must exist.


The question that pops into my mind is...

mind wrote:
Is that true?


Followed by:

mind wrote:
How does one define the word "something?"


Followed by:

mind wrote:
Is a word something?

mind wrote:
Is a concept something?


Now... I ain't trying to have a debate in here....

But, it is my understanding that in the logical process of gaining knowledge, it is necessary to ask question and seek answers by asking questions.

But I could be incorrect.
I'm still learning.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:50 am    Post subject: Re: Free Reply with quote

James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Free:
A concept that doesn't exist.

Explanation/Reason:
Every action is the effect of a cause and/or every action is the cause of an eventual effect. This word us usually used to give a person the perception that something is taking place that will not affect something else in an adverse manner.

For example, something can be said to be "free of charge" when in actuality it is costing someone something...probably the person who thinks it is "free of charge". Or, people are said to be "free" from something or someone but people are never "free" from anything nor anyone. All people are connected and/or all things are connected to all people.


I think it would be better to say:

Free:
Something that doesn't exist.


Since a concept doesn't exist until it is put into practice.

I could be incorrect.

How can something not exist?


It's based upon the criteria you give it.

Like the word "Justice."

I could be incorrect but if it is "something" it must exist.


I think that would depend on how one defines the word "something" and how one defines the word "exist."

Edward Williams wrote:
In order for it not to exist it must be "nothing".


I think that would depend on how one defines the word "nothing" and how one defines the word "exist."

I suspect that everything (including nothing) is something to somebody or something.

But I could be incorrect.

Using that logic...I suspect there are no words, even in this response, that are understood so why respond to it?


Edward Williams wrote:
Why respond to any post unless you ask what each word being used by someone else means when they use it?


I wouldn't suggest doing that...

But when a person (for example) states something like this:

Quote:
I could be incorrect but if it is "something" it must exist.


The question that pops into my mind is...

mind wrote:
Is that true?


Followed by:

mind wrote:
How does one define the word "something?"


Followed by:

mind wrote:
Is a word something?

mind wrote:
Is a concept something?


Now... I ain't trying to have a debate in here....

But, it is my understanding that in the logical process of gaining knowledge, it is necessary to ask question and seek answers by asking questions.

But I could be incorrect.
I'm still learning.


True, but "over-doing it" is a possibility.

I suggest that once you come to understand something, STOP.

Then, continue learning.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Free Reply with quote

Winston Wolfe wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
James Jones wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
Free:
A concept that doesn't exist.

Explanation/Reason:
Every action is the effect of a cause and/or every action is the cause of an eventual effect. This word us usually used to give a person the perception that something is taking place that will not affect something else in an adverse manner.

For example, something can be said to be "free of charge" when in actuality it is costing someone something...probably the person who thinks it is "free of charge". Or, people are said to be "free" from something or someone but people are never "free" from anything nor anyone. All people are connected and/or all things are connected to all people.


I think it would be better to say:

Free:
Something that doesn't exist.


Since a concept doesn't exist until it is put into practice.

I could be incorrect.

How can something not exist?


It's based upon the criteria you give it.

Like the word "Justice."

I could be incorrect but if it is "something" it must exist.


I think that would depend on how one defines the word "something" and how one defines the word "exist."

Edward Williams wrote:
In order for it not to exist it must be "nothing".


I think that would depend on how one defines the word "nothing" and how one defines the word "exist."

I suspect that everything (including nothing) is something to somebody or something.

But I could be incorrect.

Using that logic...I suspect there are no words, even in this response, that are understood so why respond to it?


Edward Williams wrote:
Why respond to any post unless you ask what each word being used by someone else means when they use it?


I wouldn't suggest doing that...

But when a person (for example) states something like this:

Quote:
I could be incorrect but if it is "something" it must exist.


The question that pops into my mind is...

mind wrote:
Is that true?


Followed by:

mind wrote:
How does one define the word "something?"


Followed by:

mind wrote:
Is a word something?

mind wrote:
Is a concept something?


Now... I ain't trying to have a debate in here....

But, it is my understanding that in the logical process of gaining knowledge, it is necessary to ask question and seek answers by asking questions.

But I could be incorrect.
I'm still learning.


True, but "over-doing it" is a possibility.

I suggest that once you come to understand something, STOP.

Then, continue learning.


Thank you for the suggestion.
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