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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

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Hey, DarkSwitch, why have you not included an e-mail address with your profile here?

I don't know, exactly. Anonomity, seclusion. It did pop up as "show" a couple times but now it remains hidden in my profile. I will set it to show again. I'm happy to hear from anyone on the forum.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:54 am    Post subject: RE Reply with quote

Peace and blessings,

Mr Williams, I am curious to know what lead you to the conclusion that the definition of "Rape" given in "The United Indepemdent Compensatory Code/System/Concept" was not sufficient?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: RE Reply with quote

Ladyjedi-Djedet wrote:
Peace and blessings,

Mr Williams, I am curious to know what lead you to the conclusion that the definition of "Rape" given in "The United Indepemdent Compensatory Code/System/Concept" was not sufficient?

It is not that it is not sufficient..it is too lengthy for people to remember. The definition of rape in the codebook does add dimension to different aspects of what rape is and how it works. What is says essentially is any forced sexual activity where one person has more power than the other.

There were some aspects written in the codebook that I have concluded are not sexual activity such as a person with an animal (dog, cow, horse, sheep, etc). Your question, of course, forces me to refine the definition written in the Counter-Racism Definitionary of exactly what sexual activity is. But a male or female person with a male or female animal is NOT sexual activity.

Now I'm thinking at even another level of how rape even applies to any forced seizure, not just of person, but also of property of a person. This even ties back to Maximum-Emergency Compensatory Action in how it can be enacted if a non-white person is "raped" of the resources necessary to produce a balance between people and things, which is the codebook's definition of correctness.

I'm going to think about these things over the next couple of days to try to come up with a more refined definition than what is in the codebook.

Thanks for asking the question.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:
I'm thinking. Now...if a non-white male forcebly has sexual intercourse with a non-white female is that rape?


This is just my opinion, so please don't take offence but I think you are treading on dangerous ground to suggest that the above could be anything other than rape...at the end of the day rape is rape whether it's commited by a black man or a white man. To suggest that the rape of a non white female by a non white male is not true rape is to trivialize a traumatic event that must be absolutely appalling for the victim. I mean if you take the above reasoning a stage further you might as well theorize that if a non white male murders a non white female, it's not really murder.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

ONMYWAVELENGTH wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
I'm thinking. Now...if a non-white male forcebly has sexual intercourse with a non-white female is that rape?


This is just my opinion, so please don't take offence but I think you are treading on dangerous ground to suggest that the above could be anything other than rape...at the end of the day rape is rape whether it's commited by a black man or a white man. To suggest that the rape of a non white female by a non white male is not true rape is to trivialize a traumatic event that must be absolutely appalling for the victim. I mean if you take the above reasoning a stage further you might as well theorize that if a non white male murders a non white female, it's not really murder.

Did you actually read the definition for this thread and the entire thread?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting thread.

I've heard people say (especially White females) that rape is a crime of power; not sex.

In a prison, all the behaviors of the inmates are within the tolerance levels of the guards and warden because their superior POWER allows them to decide what BEHAVIORS the inmates will engage in AMONG THEMSELVES.

drugs

stabbings

Basketball

"girlie magazines"

cigarettes

cable tv... are all behaviors the inmates engage in at the pleasure of the guards.

I strongly suspect rape is a behavior that also falls within the tolerance level of the guards.

I suspect they control that area of activity too.

After all, who DECIDES when a particular inmate SHOWERS in the prison?



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:
ONMYWAVELENGTH wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
I'm thinking. Now...if a non-white male forcebly has sexual intercourse with a non-white female is that rape?


This is just my opinion, so please don't take offence but I think you are treading on dangerous ground to suggest that the above could be anything other than rape...at the end of the day rape is rape whether it's commited by a black man or a white man. To suggest that the rape of a non white female by a non white male is not true rape is to trivialize a traumatic event that must be absolutely appalling for the victim. I mean if you take the above reasoning a stage further you might as well theorize that if a non white male murders a non white female, it's not really murder.

Did you actually read the definition for this thread and the entire thread?


Yes I did - to quote your initial statement, you suggest:

The major non-just act of rape can only take place when a white person is involved in the act because of the POWER relationship between people under the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy).

and I stand by my opinion - I feel the thread not only trivializes the rape of non white women by non white men but it trivializes the seriousness of the crime of rape. I would have thought that at least some other women (and men as well) would have shared my concerns - it that's not the case well all I can say is it's a bit depressing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

ONMYWAVELENGTH wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
ONMYWAVELENGTH wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
I'm thinking. Now...if a non-white male forcebly has sexual intercourse with a non-white female is that rape?


This is just my opinion, so please don't take offence but I think you are treading on dangerous ground to suggest that the above could be anything other than rape...at the end of the day rape is rape whether it's commited by a black man or a white man. To suggest that the rape of a non white female by a non white male is not true rape is to trivialize a traumatic event that must be absolutely appalling for the victim. I mean if you take the above reasoning a stage further you might as well theorize that if a non white male murders a non white female, it's not really murder.

Did you actually read the definition for this thread and the entire thread?


Yes I did - to quote your initial statement, you suggest:

The major non-just act of rape can only take place when a white person is involved in the act because of the POWER relationship between people under the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy).

and I stand by my opinion - I feel the thread not only trivializes the rape of non white women by non white men but it trivializes the seriousness of the crime of rape. I would have thought that at least some other women (and men as well) would have shared my concerns - it that's not the case well all I can say is it's a bit depressing.

This is the way the Counter-Racism Definitionary works. Someone places the definition of a word that was used in a Counter-Racism Science Project experiment in the forum and others ask questions to help refine the definition of the word so that when the word is used it will help to reveal truth in a manner that promotes justice. On a discussion board people just throw statements back and forth at each other and no problems ever get solved. Questions were asked in the definition of the word rape that helped to refine the definition of the word so that the definition is as it is today. The definition may not be completely refined yet but it is on its course.

You are welcome at any time to write a Counter-Racist Experiment about rape, post it in the Counter-Racism Science Project forum, run the experiment, post the results of the experiment so that everyone can analyze the results and ask questions about it so that everyone can help to refine the experiment.

Discussion is not allowed in the Counter-Racism Work/Study Project. This may help, make a brief response, make a brief statement, and ask a question...no more than 3 sentences. Just a suggestion.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Dark Switch wrote:
Josh wrote:
Very interesting thread.

I've heard people say (especially White females) that rape is a crime of power; not sex.

In a prison, all the behaviors of the inmates are within the tolerance levels of the guards and warden because their superior POWER allows them to decide what BEHAVIORS the inmates will engage in AMONG THEMSELVES.

drugs

stabbings

Basketball

\\\"girlie magazines\\\"

cigarettes

cable tv... are all behaviors the inmates engage in at the pleasure of the guards.

I strongly suspect rape is a behavior that also falls within the tolerance level of the guards.

I suspect they control that area of activity too.

After all, who DECIDES when a particular inmate SHOWERS in the prison?



Josh

What are the anatomical mechanics of rape occuring within Greater Confinement?

Write a counter-racism scientific experiment, run the experiment, post your results so that everyone can analyze the results and/or run the experiment to post their results...in the Counter-Racism Science Project forum and we can find out.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

ONMYWAVELENGTH wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
ONMYWAVELENGTH wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
ONMYWAVELENGTH wrote:
Edward Williams wrote:
I'm thinking. Now...if a non-white male forcebly has sexual intercourse with a non-white female is that rape?


This is just my opinion, so please don't take offence but I think you are treading on dangerous ground to suggest that the above could be anything other than rape...at the end of the day rape is rape whether it's commited by a black man or a white man. To suggest that the rape of a non white female by a non white male is not true rape is to trivialize a traumatic event that must be absolutely appalling for the victim. I mean if you take the above reasoning a stage further you might as well theorize that if a non white male murders a non white female, it's not really murder.

Did you actually read the definition for this thread and the entire thread?


Yes I did - to quote your initial statement, you suggest:

The major non-just act of rape can only take place when a white person is involved in the act because of the POWER relationship between people under the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy).

and I stand by my opinion - I feel the thread not only trivializes the rape of non white women by non white men but it trivializes the seriousness of the crime of rape. I would have thought that at least some other women (and men as well) would have shared my concerns - it that's not the case well all I can say is it's a bit depressing.


This is the way the Counter-Racism Definitionary works. Someone places the definition of a word that was used in a Counter-Racism Science Project experiment in the forum and others ask questions to help refine the definition of the word so that when the word is used it will help to reveal truth in a manner that promotes justice.


Well that's what I did - I asked questions because I was concerned about the way the definition of rape was being developed. No one appears to be able to / or willing to directly address my question in clear English without all the jargon.

Edward Williams wrote:

On a discussion board people just throw statements back and forth at each other and no problems ever get solved. Questions were asked in the definition of the word rape that helped to refine the definition of the word so that the definition is as it is today. The definition may not be completely refined yet but it is on its course.

You are welcome at any time to write a Counter-Racist Experiment about rape, post it in the Counter-Racism Science Project forum, run the experiment, post the results of the experiment so that everyone can analyze the results and ask questions about it so that everyone can help to refine the experiment.


I could be wrong but I really don't think an experiment would be feasible with this particular issue.

Edward Williams wrote:

Discussion is not allowed in the Counter-Racism Work/Study Project. This may help, make a brief response, make a brief statement, and ask a question...no more than 3 sentences. Just a suggestion.


If discussion is not allowed, how are these definitions going to be refined in any meaningful way? I'm sorry - I'm familiar with theory building (I have a PhD) and prohibiting any kind of discussion doesn't make any sense to me.

Ask questions or write an experiment. Niggers want everything to change except themselves.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Edward Williams wrote:


Ask questions or write an experiment. Niggers want everything to change except themselves.


Well it’s ironic that one comes on to what is supposedly a counter racist site and ends up being called a nigger by the moderator/ owner of the site. When I came across the site three days I go I thought that it might be interesting because of the subject matter covered, however, since I became more familiar with the material on the site, I changed my mind, especially when I saw the ‘rape definition’ post. In addition, I find the general presentation of material on this site to be mediocre, meaningless, mechanical and monotonous; the incessant use of codes/ jargon border on the ridiculous. In relation to myself, I have found the behavior of the moderators/ regulars to have become increasingly bizarre since I disagreed about their rape definition although I thought the responses to my posts to be a little odd from day one. All in all I feel that the amount of pathology demonstrated on this site would be enough to cover a whole conference - so moderators, you’ll be glad to know that I’m not sticking around – you have one less person to be threatened by! One last thing, “Josh”, please do the other board users a favor and get rid of that picture - it confuses people as to whether you are a 'white person' or a 'non white person' - and also it's hideous.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you.

The Counter-Racism Work/Study Project (WSP) is not for you or anyone else to argue with each other, discuss things with each other, or talk about what you did last week for the new year. The WSP is a tool that people should use to test their own ideas by performing scientific experiments on your own ideas and/or someone else's, posting those ideas as experiments in the Counter-Racism Science Project forum, performing those experiments, collecting data on those experiments, analyzing data on those experiments, changing the experiments as needed to further test your own ideas and/or someone else's ideas if their ideas are not in accordance with yours and post the results of the experiment you use to test someone else's ideas.

If you read anything on the WSP that you disagree with you should be writing an experiment to test what you think should be. The WSP is a tool to use to test whether or not your ideas (Hypothesis) are true. What niggers do is try to change someone else's perspectives because that is what niggers are trained to do by the white people who practice racism (white supremacy). As you begin to de-niggerize you begin to understand that the problem is not with other non-white people and you don't change the world by changing their perspective...the problem is with you and you change the world by changing your perspective. Counter-Racism is about self-improvement. You change yourself by changing your own ideas so that your speech and/or action that results from that change helps to produce a thing called justice.

What niggers do, because we have been trained by the racists (white supremacists) to be niggers (don't know what is going on...thinking inside the box), we think everyone else around us should change but not us...which is a natural reaction according to the type of training all non-white people receive under this SYSTEM of injustice. we think everyone and everything should change around us even though we change according to what the racists (white supremacists) say for us to do.

Now, what do you do about it?

Replace racism (white supremacy) with justice because that is the genesis for all of this unjust treatment and you do it by focusing your thought, speech, and/or action toward the people who are causing the problem...the racists (white supremacists) themselves. I know you're not used to thinking this way because your actions show that you're not. You're not alone...non-white people are not used to thinking this way because we have been niggerized. We have been taken through a process of niggerization and that process entails non-white people being mistreated on the basis of color. We are born with color as are all people on this planet but we are told we have color and white people have none. Now that in and of itself is confusing...and we are confused even further for the rest of our lives.

A non-white person attempting to practice Counter-Racism should result in that non-white person understanding what they are looking at and helping to eliminate racism (white supremacy) by producing justice. Let me give you the counter-racism website in a nutshell...it is for people to do two things:

(1) "Know Thyself"
(2) Produce justice

You do number (1) by critically examining your own thought, speech, and action and point it towards the racists (white supremacists) who are white people working to keep you niggerized. You do number (2) by doing number (1) along with a lot of other things.

If you choose to use the WSP tool as described above you are welcome to use the tool. If the WSP is not used as described above your posts may be deleted, entire threads deleted, etc.

Whatever tool you decide to use to replace racism (white supremacy) with justice...if you go down that path...you will change the way you do things because currently the way you do things, according to the evidence, help to promote the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy). Good luck in your search for the right tool.
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